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I’ve built multiple socket server apps in Node.js for a multi-user artificial intelligence app. We’re looking at 1K to 10K active socket connections per box. However even when idle and with 0 active connections, some of my servers consume 50-100 MB of memory when running on Unix. I’m sure with a sensible platform like C# or C++, this should be close to 0 MB. So we are considering a port to a “better” platform. Now let my clarify my use case:
- This is not a “web server”. No files are served.
- We do lots of CPU intensive data processing and certain portions have already been ported to C++ and pulled into node via native modules.
- We don’t need to access much I/O (in most cases a few files are accessed, in some cases none, we don’t use an RDBMS either)
We went with node because it was Unix friendly (unlike .NET) and seemed easy to use. But with its current memory consumption we need to evaluate other options. Many have compared Node.js with ASP.NET but I need to build a socket server in C# or C++.
I have significant experience with .NET and C++. There are libs like SuperSocket (used by Redgate and Telerik) that handle all of the low-level stuff in .NET. I will have to find a similar socket framework for C++.
So putting this all together, what are the advantages of using .NET or C++ over Node.js? And considering my servers are highly CPU-bound (not I/O bound) would the benefits of using .NET/C++ be significant or should I stick with Node.js? Any other comments regarding porting a Node.js app to C# or C++?
Bounty: I need advice and a recommended socket server library/implementation/example app in C# and/or C++. Must be open source. I need it to be high-performance, async and bug-free. Must support binary data transfer. Must run on Windows. Unix is a bonus.
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the bottleneck here is not the programing language or the technology, it’s the hardware and OS support. the thing that limits the amount of concurrent sockets count is basically the machine you’re running on. yet, from my experience, the determinisitic object lifetime of C++ can help dramatically for supporting large number of concurrent OS resources.
I have done some Node.js in my profesional work, I have done some C# but mostly C++. even with node.js as a web server, most of the client and server code didn’t had many much in common besides the language itself. the web server dealt with buisness logic mostly, while the client dealt with fetching and presenting the data interactivly. So, I think the main advantage of node.js as a web server is that it gives purist-JS developers the ability to write server side without using languages/technology they are not familliar with.
yep. using strongly typed language can do wonders here. no redunadand runtime-parsing.
Well, I feel there’s a myth in the air that node.js somehow handles IO better than other technologies. this is simply wrong. the main feature of Node.js is the fact that by default, the IO is asynchronous. but Node.js didn’t invent any wheel. you have asynchronous IO in Java (aka Java.NIO), C# (async/await) and C++ (as native stuff like epoll/IOCompletionPort, or some higher stuff like Boost.ASIO/ CPP-rest, Proxygen etc.)
.Net Core is a relativly new technology where .Net can run on Unix-based systems (like linux)
Boost.ASIO, or write something yourself, it’s really not that hard..
better CPU usage: because C++ and C# are strongly typed languages, and C++ is a statically compiled language, there are huge oppretunities for the compiler to optimize CPU extensive jobs.
lower memory footprint: usually because strongly typed languages have smaller objects without the overhead of keeping a lot of meta-data behind the scences.
with C++, having stack allocation and scoped object life-time usually the memory footprint is low. again, it depends on the quality of the code in any language.
no callback hell: C# has tasks and async await. C++ has futures/promises and some compilers (aka VC++) do supports await as well. the asynchronous code simply becomes pure fun to write as oppossed to callbacks. yes, I do aware of JS promises and the new async/await stuff, but they are relativly new compared to .Net implementation.
Compiler checks : since C# and C++ have to be compiled, a lot of silly bugs are caught in compile time. no “undefiend is not a function” or “cannot read property of undefined”.
other than that it’s pretty much a matter of choice.
Node.js may have been the wrong choice from the start and it would probably never match performances of a C++ server. However, it can be pretty close, if you are doing things right. In addition, writing good C++ and a complete rewrite of a system is difficult and time consuming. So, I want to give some reasons for you to stick to Node.js or at least, completely exhaust all your options before you move.
Are you using Node.js v0.12? With Node.js v4.2 LTS, idle Node.js server should use around 20 MB of memory. (It would probably never be near 0 MB because of V8) Have you checked for memory leaks?
This should be easily achievable. If you are using the most popular
socket.iolibrary, here’s some relevant benchmarks.from: http://drewww.github.io/socket.io-benchmarking/
(Since, all these connections are kept alive concurrently, CPU usage matters more)
If you are already using that and having issues, try replacing
socket.iowithSocketClusterwhich is faster and more scalable. Replacing this should be easier than a complete rewrite. Here’s some benchmarks:http://socketcluster.io/#!/performance
Finally, to prove that Node.js can nearly reach C++ performance. Have a look at this:
https://github.com/smallnest/C1000K-Servers
My point is you have average performance goals that you should be able to reach with Node.js with little effort. Try to benchmark (https://github.com/machinezone/tcpkali) and find the issue rather than do a complete rewrite.
NetMQ is native C# port of zeromq.
Zeromq is lightweight messaging library, the zeromq guide is a great if you want to learn about messaging, it also come as a book. It applicable both to zeromq and NetMQ.
If you are using windows and need to handle a lot of connection I don’t recommend zeromq as it not using IOCP.
NetMQ is using IOCP on Windows and works both on windows and linux.
Disclosure – I’m author of NetMQ and maintainer on the zeromq (libzmq) project.
[1] https://github.com/zeromq/netmq
[2] http://netmq.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
[3] http://zguide.zeromq.org/page:all
[4] http://www.amazon.com/ZeroMQ-Messaging-Applications-Pieter-Hintjens/dp/1449334067/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462550951&sr=8-1&keywords=zeromq